ES.C.4.1, School Week and Work Week For Minors Draft Policy
In order to be transparent and seek input from the diverse business and labor communities, L&I is currently seeking stakeholder feedback on a new draft administrative policy, ES.C.4.1, School Week and Work Week For Minors.
We are asking the public to review the draft of the administrative policy by May 31, 2024.
Feedback can be submitted directly to this page via the “Submit Comments” tab, or using an attached document via the “Upload Documents” tab.
Feedback can also be submitted via the ESRules@Lni.wa.gov email box. Feedback submitted to the email box will be uploaded to this engagement site.
A virtual stakeholder feedback session to discuss the content of the draft administrative policies is being held on April 26, 2024 from 1:00 p.m. to 2:00 p.m. Details on how to participate can be found on the timeline via the Project Timeline of the "Review Draft Administrative Policies" page.
In order to be transparent and seek input from the diverse business and labor communities, L&I is currently seeking stakeholder feedback on a new draft administrative policy, ES.C.4.1, School Week and Work Week For Minors.
We are asking the public to review the draft of the administrative policy by May 31, 2024.
Feedback can be submitted directly to this page via the “Submit Comments” tab, or using an attached document via the “Upload Documents” tab.
Feedback can also be submitted via the ESRules@Lni.wa.gov email box. Feedback submitted to the email box will be uploaded to this engagement site.
A virtual stakeholder feedback session to discuss the content of the draft administrative policies is being held on April 26, 2024 from 1:00 p.m. to 2:00 p.m. Details on how to participate can be found on the timeline via the Project Timeline of the "Review Draft Administrative Policies" page.
To submit your feedback directly to this page, please enter your comments in the text box below.
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1.2 Minors cannot work during school hours and determining school hours. Response: As a parent of a minor who attends a running start program, and a public high school, our minor child has a very flexible schedule. Why limit this minor to working limited hours to follow the school districts schedule when the minor is willing and able to work? The minor is learning life outside of school, a work ethic and trade. The workforce allows opportunities for experience and a benefit for the minors future.
1.2 Minors cannot work during school hours and determining school hours. Response: As the view of the employer: Agricultural businesses have depended on many of the minors who are willing and able to work in the fields. To limit minors to a work week of a school district schedule, devastates the agricultural crop harvests. Harvest starts early for some crops. As the workforce has dwindled in recent years, finding minors that are willing and able to work, has been a hardship on the employers. Causing smaller crops, less workers and causing a huge loss to what was once a big producer of a crop. By limiting these hours, the crops will disappear and opportunities for minors will forever be lost.
1.2 Minors cannot work during school hours and determining school hours. Response as a minors view: If the minor is able and willing to work, yet unable to work, as decided by the school districts school schedule, the minor could potentially be exposed to an environment that is not productive, or potentially left without exposure to life outside of home. Losing out on time for personal growth and experience learned by being in the workforce.
Shawna Corbett
5 months ago
Paragraph 2 of section 1.2 conflicts with paragraph 3 of 4.4. To limit students with alternative school schedules to work hours relative to the public school system is strange. Students/parents may choose alternative learning systems for the flexibility of the minor. The minor may perform best when their classes are in the evening, so limiting the minor's work hours based on the traditional school schedule could lead to fewer opportunities to gain work experience and learn financial literacy. Both of those skills are essential for our youth to be successful later in life.
Emily Hoke
5 months ago
1.2 Minors cannot work during school hours and determining school hours. *Parents that choose home based instruction do so for their own valid reasons, one mainly being to allow for flexibility in schedules. It would be unjust to put a limitation on a minor looking for work because they or their family chose the best course of education for themselves.
4.4 During school hours. *Paragraph 3 of this section is in direct conflict with section 1.2.
4.5 Non-school week hours year-round. *It would also seem that this section is in slight conflict with other sections, mainly allowing students enrolled in college courses to not have to abide by the definition of "school hours" in section 1.2. If we are allowing Running Start students, who also have a full load and may attend high-school as well, to work non-school week hours year-round, then we should also allow minors enrolled in alternative schools and home schools the same freedoms.
Jenna
7 months ago
This new policy would unfairly impact those who chose to utilize alternative forms of schooling. This includes those in private schools, alternative programs in public schools, homeschoolers, and those enrolled in Running Start. Running Start students often have a full load of classes that meet only one or two days a week, or only evenings. Penalizing them from working while going to school simply because their school follows a post-secondary schedule vs a standard secondary school schedule is an unjust application of labor and industry regulatory oversight.
Elisabeth Moseng
7 months ago
Saying a child can not work during school hours and determining that by the local public school hurts kids who attend other schools and get out two or three weeks earlier. It means they are penalized on both ends by not being able to start work when they are completed for the school year and other schools start earlier so they miss work on the end also.
Jill Kiele
7 months ago
1.2 If minors are not in public school but in private or homeschooled, they should be able to work a schedule that fits their school schedule. The third paragraph of 4.4 seems to conflict with 1.2. 1.3 The holiday and break schedule for private and homeschooling should be determined not by the public school schedule but by the private or homeschool schedule.
1.2 Minors cannot work during school hours and determining school hours.
Response: As a parent of a minor who attends a running start program, and a public high school, our minor child has a very flexible schedule. Why limit this minor to working limited hours to follow the school districts schedule when the minor is willing and able to work? The minor is learning life outside of school, a work ethic and trade. The workforce allows opportunities for experience and a benefit for the minors future.
1.2 Minors cannot work during school hours and determining school hours.
Response: As the view of the employer: Agricultural businesses have depended on many of the minors who are willing and able to work in the fields. To limit minors to a work week of a school district schedule, devastates the agricultural crop harvests. Harvest starts early for some crops. As the workforce has dwindled in recent years, finding minors that are willing and able to work, has been a hardship on the employers. Causing smaller crops, less workers and causing a huge loss to what was once a big producer of a crop.
By limiting these hours, the crops will disappear and opportunities for minors will forever be lost.
1.2 Minors cannot work during school hours and determining school hours.
Response as a minors view: If the minor is able and willing to work, yet unable to work, as decided by the school districts school schedule, the minor could potentially be exposed to an environment that is not productive, or potentially left without exposure to life outside of home. Losing out on time for personal growth and experience learned by being in the workforce.
Paragraph 2 of section 1.2 conflicts with paragraph 3 of 4.4. To limit students with alternative school schedules to work hours relative to the public school system is strange. Students/parents may choose alternative learning systems for the flexibility of the minor. The minor may perform best when their classes are in the evening, so limiting the minor's work hours based on the traditional school schedule could lead to fewer opportunities to gain work experience and learn financial literacy. Both of those skills are essential for our youth to be successful later in life.
1.2 Minors cannot work during school hours and determining school hours. *Parents that choose home based instruction do so for their own valid reasons, one mainly being to allow for flexibility in schedules. It would be unjust to put a limitation on a minor looking for work because they or their family chose the best course of education for themselves.
4.4 During school hours. *Paragraph 3 of this section is in direct conflict with section 1.2.
4.5 Non-school week hours year-round. *It would also seem that this section is in slight conflict with other sections, mainly allowing students enrolled in college courses to not have to abide by the definition of "school hours" in section 1.2. If we are allowing Running Start students, who also have a full load and may attend high-school as well, to work non-school week hours year-round, then we should also allow minors enrolled in alternative schools and home schools the same freedoms.
This new policy would unfairly impact those who chose to utilize alternative forms of schooling. This includes those in private schools, alternative programs in public schools, homeschoolers, and those enrolled in Running Start.
Running Start students often have a full load of classes that meet only one or two days a week, or only evenings. Penalizing them from working while going to school simply because their school follows a post-secondary schedule vs a standard secondary school schedule is an unjust application of labor and industry regulatory oversight.
Saying a child can not work during school hours and determining that by the local public school hurts kids who attend other schools and get out two or three weeks earlier. It means they are penalized on both ends by not being able to start work when they are completed for the school year and other schools start earlier so they miss work on the end also.
1.2 If minors are not in public school but in private or homeschooled, they should be able to work a schedule that fits their school schedule. The third paragraph of 4.4 seems to conflict with 1.2.
1.3 The holiday and break schedule for private and homeschooling should be determined not by the public school schedule but by the private or homeschool schedule.